Wednesday, 23 July 2008

The Victim: Harvey Dent

While people are head over heel with the Joker and part of it Batman (yes, he was overshadowed by the gay guy from Brokeback Mountain), I empathized more on Harvey Dent than the rest of the characters in The Dark Knight. Yes, Joker provided us with an excellent show, a deep argument and philosophical believe behind his 'smile' and staying strong with it. And of course, Batman showed the selfless act and incorruptible sense of justice in doing the 'right thing'. People tend to overlook the byproduct of the collision of these two 'Goliath'; the torment of Harvey Dent. He's the living testimony of Joker's argument and Batman have the Gotham people to stand by his principals. But what makes it more tragic is that the choices made by Harvey were relevant and somewhat a similar path many would take under that circumstances. It was totally human, and that's what i can understand from him (and it scares me a bit). Circumstances, chance, experience will shape us and bring out the best or the worst of us.. that's why he is easy for us (or is it only me?) to relate to and wonder; "would i fall in the same path if i were to be in his shoe, pushed to that extend and given a strong reasoning with it to retaliate.. would i fail in the same way?". To say that he is evil would be too shallow and an overstatement, and to call him good would be idealistically wrong but principally acceptable for he seeks justice for everyone. Justice that's down to its' core and simplistic form, chance 50-50. So now friends.. what is FAIR?? what is JUSTICE?? and what does it take to be human and humane enough idealistically and principally?

52 comments:

husni said...

couldn't say the same for the Two-Face in Batman & Robin though...

Hafriz the Caped Crusader said...

I dunno azam. I thought my sympathy has to go to Bruce Wayne.

No matter how unfair the circumstances has been for Harvey, he is Gotham's white knight, he is Gotham's hope, and he should've never introduced that little "anarchy" that Joker told him to unleash. What would citizens of Gotham feel, If a man that is dubbed pure and full of righteousness by the media sunk as low as the Joker's level?

Bruce on the other hand, until the end, stood by his means of fighting injustice, and remained "incorruptible". And in the end he takes the blame for all of Harvey's killings. Why? So that the Joker cannot 'win'.

Keep in mind that Bruce also lost Rachel, a woman he's known and loved all his life, perhaps more than Harvey did.

Azzam?? said...

Husni: I came across some old two-face pictures while looking for this one, and yes, he was SO gay (not homosexual okay.. i hope! xD) back then

hafriz: I understand your preference to batman. But me, emphatizing more on Harvey is because Batman and Joker have become a larger than life entity. They've acquired the status 'super'hero and 'super'villain. Like Hamzah, they're already a state of mind =p hahahah orr.. to put it in an extreme, they're like the prophet of their principals, thus, incorruptible.

On the other hand, Harvey Dent is just a person. from the start till the end, he's just a person, toiled by his predicament. That's why i said he's easier to relate to, to emphatize. Try putting yourself in his shoe.. =D

husni said...

"On the other hand, Harvey Dent is just a person"

can't agree with you on that one. when he became two-face, he acquired the "super" status, that is if u say that batman is a "super"hero and joker a "super"villain. whatever ur saying about joker and batman also applies to two-face in this sense.

harvey dent can be compared...if to anyone, to pre-batman bruce wayne, or to pre-catwoman selina kyle, or to pre-penguin oswald cobblepot...point is, his story is nothing special, every "super"hero/"super"villain almost has to have a motivational background for their present state.

Jasmin said...

so two-face didn't start off as a villain...so what? i agree with ur fren husni... his story isn't new. something terrible happened to him and he decided to go on the dark side. same thing happened to darth vader in star wars.

the joker is something else. he's simply evil... and that makes him 'special'...sort of...because it raises the question can someone be born evil?

Azzam?? said...

Jasmin & Husni: hmmm... maybe the empathy should stop when he don the name two-face from his chatter with the police guy. Hence i agree with u guys too.. that he's comparable to pre-batman bruce wayne, selina kyle.. their predicament in life brought them to their state.. i guess i appreciate dynamic characters like how i liked bruce wayne in begins i guess.. and jasmin, Joker too.. have his own untold story. owhh.. im not saying that Harvey Dent is a major force in the Dark Knight, but having to witness what he went through.. i couldn't stop wondering what if i were in that same damn situation.. what would i be?? what would we be? still.. a flip of the coin, 50-50.

hana_lalalala said...

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Azzam?? said...

Hana: gile u tak cool xD muahahahah

husni said...

the population of the world can now be divided into two:- those who have and have not seen the dark knight.

hana_lalalala said...

i dah tengok tadi!!!!!!!!!! so dah masuk dlm the cool list. and the list that have seen the dark knight!

Liyana said...

mmg dis movie giler ramai peeps in my batch tgk...
aaron eckhart rock my socks!!so different than the character that he played in No Reservations..huhu
but Christian Bale&Heath Ledger is still the bees knees..hahaha

The Birdman said...

i like Joker :)

The Birdman said...

but i don't like Bale as Batman :\

The Caped Crusader said...

I like Bale. He may not be the Batman we expected like the ones in the comics or even the famous animated series (the old one, not the lame recent THE BATMAN) but he redefined the role and character of Bruce Wayne and made it his own.

Just like what Ledger did to Joker. I've never seen that Joker before, but I have no problems with it, because it's brilliant.

Husna said...

shayte. i tak kool ek, sbb i tak tgk lagi? cam shayte.

NAK TGK HEATH LEDGER ergh.

Azzam?? said...

hana: welcome to the coolness side of the world

birdman: oik.. bale kacak (do i sound like a gay guy?? 0.0) ok.. and the most brooding of all Waynes xD

Hafriz: i've always wanted this kind of joker as the ones in them comics are not psychotic enough to really merit arkham asylum's standard(but there are some exceptional ones)

Husna: quick quick husna... before it's too late xD hahahah

abszynth said...

I da tgk da...its the first movie I watched alone! but I want to watch dvd ... cos I think they chopped off alot of the movie...like does anyone know what happend during the first part of the movie when there was many Fake-o Batmans...then the real Batman shows up...he whacks them abit and the next thing you know the bad guys are all tied up! Im like...wha...what?

The Birdman said...

of course Bale "redefining" Batman is not the problem. he redefined it badly though. i'm sensing this Batman dude is starting to be as cheesy as Spiderman (jiwang) oops!

The Caped Crusader said...

Why cheesy Bert?

abszynth said...

But if Batman was 'jiwang' he would have chosen to save his love interest instead of Harvey Dent right?

Azzam?? said...

Errr... Abs.. he did choose to save his lover.. but was suprised to see that Harvey Dent was there! Then again bert, 'jiwang'ness is part of being human. Being Batman robbed him with most of it already.. give that fella some face laa... to be lovey dovey a bit xD

hana_lalalala said...
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hana_lalalala said...

yeah. he did choose Rachel. the joker lied to batman about Rachel's location.

abszynth said...

eh takla! kan? er...im sure...well...i was sure... hey he wanted to save dent la...shyt @_@

abszynth said...

well i guess some of us have n attention span of a pistachio

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